Aman?

[Gwenneth]

Hey, sorry to sound naive here, but is Aman another name for Valinor? Or do I have that messed up? OR...is Valinor a particular PLACE in Aman? I'm a bit confused. I'm pretty sure I'm getting the Silmarillion for Christmas, but not POSITIVE. When I get that, hopefully I'll know a bit more about these things!

I would like to enter something into the challenge that was meant to foster talk in this thread, but I don't think I can without an understanding of the goingson of Aman.

Thanks in advance.

[Karri]

Oh, excellent! Now there is only one category left with no posts. ;D

Aman is sort of another name for Valinor. Valinor would be like the United States and Aman would be like North America. Valinor is the land of the Valar -- the specific area in Aman in which the Valar (and most of the Elves) live. Aman, though, would also include the coastal regions outside the mountains that mark the boundary of Valinor, where the Teleri live, as well as the Lonely Isle, which sits just off the coast of Valinor and is where most of the return exiled Noldor went to dwell.

[French Pony]

So, if I understand this correctly, Aman is the western continent, and Valinor is a large country within that continent. In the same vein, Middle-earth would then be the eastern continent, containing countries like Gondor, Rohan, Harad, the Shire, etc. There used to be a good-sized island halfway between the two called Númenor, but it sank.

And now I'm thinking. . . if Valinor does not encompass all of Aman, then there are other regions on that continent where the Valar do not dwell. Who does dwell there, I wonder. . . . ? I do believe I'm getting Ideas.

[Gwenneth]

Oh ideas are definitely coming! I wonder what people would think of a story set after Cassia and Sio's story when everyone is "home" in the Undying Lands, Aragorn included. Perhaps a little Aman adventure...exploring...I can fully see Legolas and Aragorn not wanting to change from their exploring selves. It'd be AU, no doubt there, but sounds like fun...

[Karri]

Gwenneth said:

Oh ideas are definitely coming! I wonder what people would think of a story set after Cassia and Sio's story when everyone is "home" in the Undying Lands, Aragorn included. Perhaps a little Aman adventure...exploring...I can fully see Legolas and Aragorn not wanting to change from their exploring selves. It'd be AU, no doubt there, but sounds like fun...

Sure, you could write something in MC universe. It would definitely be AU, but so long as it is labeled AU, it's all good, and it would be fun.

Non-AU, the thing to remember is that it is not the land that makes the people undying, but the undying who live there that make the land the Undying Lands. In canon-verse, a mortal such as Aragorn, Gimli, Sam and so on would die (theoretically, even faster because the intensity of the Undying Lands is too much for a mortal to handle.)

I look forward to whatever you come up with! ;D

[Karri]

French said:

And now I'm thinking. . . if Valinor does not encompass all of Aman, then there are other regions on that continent where the Valar do not dwell. Who does dwell there, I wonder. . . . ? I do believe I'm getting Ideas.

It sounds like you understood correctly. One does have to wonder what, beside the Teleri, live beyond the borders of Valinor, in the outer-reaches of Aman -- especially if include in the Enchanted Isles. Who knows, perhaps there is even a cyclops or two waiting for Oisin to arrive.

I hope those plot bunnies have gotten a firm hold. Happy writing! :-D

[Karri]

Coincidentally, the quote of the day today on SoA happens to be the very quote I was attempting to paraphrase above. So, with much thanks to Nilmandra for doing the typing, here is what the Valar have to say on the matter:

'The Doom of the World,' they said, 'One alone can change who made it. And were you so to voyage that escaping all deceits and snares you came indeed to Aman, the Blessed Realm, little would it profit you. For it is not the land of Manwë that makes its people deathless, but the Deathless that dwell therein have hallowed the land; and there you would but wither and grow weary the sooner, as moths in a light too strong and steadfast.'

[LKK]

I knew that mortals still died in Valinor, but I didn't realize that they would die at a faster rate.

I wonder if Frodo, Gimli, Sam knew this? If they didn't know, I wonder would they have still chosen to sail if they did?

I expect Bilbo would have sailed regardless. He was quite ready & accepting of death. Frodo probably as well. Sam? I'm not so sure of.

Gimli's the real unknown. How many years of life in ME did he give up for a shorter life with Legolas and Galadriel?

Plot bunnies, anyone? ;D

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